Why is the Lib Dem front bench so afraid of talking sensibly about drugs?

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Just for the record and me. When you say liberal do you mean John Loke, Thomas Jefferson, individual rights and freedom, self reliance ect.,ect......Or do you mean socialism, collectivism, unionism, the US Democrat Party, ect., ect?

Regardless, your words mirror some thoughts in the US...I think?

Um..

I mean Liberal as in The Liberal Party in the UK that almost predates the United States ;) .. as in Mills, etc. The usual meaning of liberal outside of the hall of mirrors politics that you get in the USA.

I did not know the Liberal Party in the UK was liberal in the sense of Mills or Loke, or any sense for that matter. Thought they were socialist, unionist ect., like Canada. When the media in USA says liberal they usually refer to an authortarian socialist.

I find your posts very interesting and informative...and sometimes confusing to me,,,but thats education.

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Specific issues aside, the LD MP's swear an oath do they not?

Seems to me that the powers-that-be in a given country will always exert an influence, and the LD aren't really much different than New Labour because the political system that contains them both isn't going to change. The closer they get to power, the more the p-t-b influences will increase. It is clearly greater than science!

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